Below are the comments from my post of 6th Feb. My replies are in blue.
Anonymous said...
I don’t understand why you both are together. You are ruining not only
both your lives, but also your son's. Is this what you want him to learn about
marriage, love and companionship? You can be upset that your husband does not
help around the house. But, so many times in the post you have pointed to the
fact that he makes less money than you. It is always “his” and “yours”.
Marriage is about being one; it’s about being a team. I cannot imagine that
your husband has spoken to your son only 10 times! It just shows that you do
not care about each other’s feelings. I was shocked at the sentence “Both DH
and I know that if we ever win a lottery, we would share the catch and say
Hasta la vista to each other. Right now I do not have the money to buy a house
on my own and he does not have the money to pay me off what he owes me. There
is a mutual interdependence”. Really? Is that enough reason to stay in a
marriage? There has to be more. You need to respect yourself more, and look
within to find that reason. You need to communicate with each other and be
willing to change to make this work. You wish that your husband falls in love
with another woman? If you really feel that way why are you wasting your time
and his? From this post, it looks like this marriage is just a compromise and
an adjustment. Try talking to him and making small everyday changes to see if
you can make this work. Try to recreate the happy times that you had initially,
and find the reason why you fell in love with each other in the first place. I
really wish you both can sort out your differences and live a normal, happy,
healthy married life filled with love, respect and happiness. Good Luck to you
and your husband!
Reply:
I saw Anonymous's comments just before getting into a meeting and her (I think
it is a her) words kept resonating through out the day. At this point
even I don't understand why DH and I are together. I am trying to figure
out what to do - so let us park that question.
I would like to believe that my son won't be influenced by what is happening in my current marriage. If that was the case, I would have been heavily influenced by my parent's marriage - my mom was the docile one and would give in to everything that my Dad wanted. Even though it was not a balanced equation, they loved each other like crazy till my Dad passed away. He took care of all her needs while he was alive and even now when he is no more. But their marriage, like all marriages was not perfect. I have not thought deep whether their relationship with each other influenced me. I hope my son follows me in that regard at least. If there is anything that I am genuinely worried about is - whether my first marriage influenced my son? I lived with someone who would hit people at the drop of a hat. My son has seen his dad take his frustration out on me. Compared to what he has seen earlier this is child's play for him. Fact is that my son has seen me in two very terrible relationships and I should be doing better. This I do not deny.
You would be surprised at the number of marriages that are not all about being "one" or even a team. The married people I see around me (though they are hardly the best representatives) are glued together because they have kids together or the wife is taking care of the home for the husband, they have mutual investments or even mutual interests that allow them to participate in some activities together. I do not have anything in common with DH.
Talking about DH earning less - these days it is a known fact that women earn more than men. But what pisses me off is the total lack of responsibility at home. Why is that someone else has to take the responsibility of caring for and maintaining his house? And what about responsibility in a relationship - spending a few minutes together talking about how each other's day went? Every time I try to do it, I am treated like a pest - invading his space and time. If DH wanted to be on his own - he shouldn't have gotten married in the first place.
You have given a lot of useful suggestion - fact is I have tried it, we have tried it - it does not work. We are too different - personality and character wise and have lost the enthusiasm to want to be together. We tried gluing the broken bits many a times.
Ok I
kinda get it now. Your frustration, your despair as expressed here sometimes
and the perhaps the futility of trying to change your partner.
First
things first. Let's see if some of my 3 a.m. suggestions might work out for
you. (And don't think I'm arrogant enough to think you haven't tried these
already)
1. You crave to own a home right? Does it have to
be in bloody expensive UK? If not have you considered putting down a sum on a
place someplace in India where you could in the distant future see yourself
living by yourself or with your son? It can just end up being a room of your
own so to say if DH and you do still stay together or an investment that pays
off in time. My younger sister is single and this is the first thing I made her
do when she began earning years ago.
Yes I
am longing to have a house of my own - which I can keep neat and tidy and live
in. It cannot be in India, because mom is the only I have in India.
After her time (such an Indian way to put it), I don't see myself going
to India ever. If at all there is a place other than the UK that I think
of as home, it is Dubai. But that is not exactly a place people retire
to. But yes buying a property of my own is VERY much in the cards right
now. It may not be perfect - in location size or anything, but it will be
mine and it will be sooner than expected and yes it will be in the UK.
2.
Can you search for a higher paying job for DH somehow? Perhaps in your own
organization or outside. It's possible that since your mind desires it so much
it will be manifested thru your efforts. Perhaps he's just feeling afraid to
try anything outside his comfort zone. I know this is easier said than done
but.....
I
have tried sending out DH's CV to a few companies and such. But the thing
is there are only very few jobs that DH likes to do. DH does not like to
have too many responsibilities at work. He says work is just a means to
pay your bills. I cannot for the life of me understand why someone would
want to spend 10 hours of their daily life doing something they do not like.
DH does not like to go outside his comfort zone and complains that now it
is too late for him to apply for jobs. DH is 53 this year.
3.
Helping around the house. My pet peeve too. Why don't you clean out his study
and organize it the way you want. Whats the worst that can happen? will the
ground beneath you shatter?
Love the question. His study - I am not
supposed to go there without DH. DH actually locks the room before he
goes for work everyday. That does not mean there is stuff in there that I
do not know of, its just that he is very scared that I would throw off some
stuff and try to make it tidy. I have assured DH many times, that I would
only rearrange and reorganize and never scrap anything, but he doesn't believe
me. During one of our conversation DH said - my life is in there.
To which I said - No your life belongs here with me. No reply after
that.
4. Do
you have a couple or atleast one local gal pal? If not can you try cultivating
one? No to crib to but to hang out with (She might want to sit on your pristine
couch though. Gasp!) ad have a cup of tea with and laugh while watching
bollywood DVDs with. Stuff like that. It lessens the burden on the spouse when
you have a close gal pal. We sometimes expect a spouse to fulfill all of our
fantasies. Emotional, financial and physical and it's simply not possible at
times.
Unfortunately I do not have friends I can discuss DH
or my situation with. In my first marriage, I discussed my problems with
all and sundry and I realised pretty soon that one must keep one's problems to
oneself. I don't think I have ever put a burden on DH - never asked him
to take me out anywhere or watch a Hindi movie with me or anything like that.
The maximum - I have asked him to buy me some fashion jewellery or
something like that. What is surprising is that DH does not have any
friends. I moved from Dubai to here and work from home, so I can get away
with having no friends, but what is his excuse after living in this place for
30 odd years? DH has many reading groups that he attends as part of his
MA course, but none that he has made friends with on a close level. I
would say DH has acquaintances but no friends. And none that have visited
our house.
I do have a friend I met online and we went to
watch Talaash together. I absolutely loved it, just up my alley.
But she found it boring. I like this friend a lot, though I haven't
put in any effort to go out together much. With my delicate emotional
condition right now, I am scared that I might blurt it all out to her.
This friend is the one I am planning to go to Japan with.
All
of my suggestions could be something you've already tried or would find too
trite. If so my apologies. But....do hang in there and something will turn up.
Deepa
Hi
Deepa - can I take a second to fangirl right now? Love your comments -
almost like having an elder sister. Thank you.
Anonymous said...
You post title is "things are never one sided". You do not
have to be perfect to be in a terrible marriage. I am sure you and your husband
are both equally at fault. But if you dislike as much as that post seems to
indicate then you are doing yourself and your son a big disservice by staying
with your husband. You seem to give financial security a disproportionate
amount of weight both in terms of values you wish to instil in your son and
reasons for staying with your husband. I wont tell you that is wrong because
you are clearly a product of your background and life experiences and you need
to work through your insecurities yourself. But this is a bad bad bad example
of marriage, love and dependence you are teaching your son. Being alone is not
so bad or scary - you might love yourself more if you had the guts to be alone.
Yes agreed - I am just as at fault. But then again maybe it is not
anyone's fault. We have grown to be entirely different to what we both
thought we were initially. For me financial security is very very
important, I cannot stress that enough. But that is my quirk, due to my
background, upbringing, values whatever. For DH it is moving forward in life
without a plan, without any security.
I have been alone before - for about 4 years before I met DH. This
was after DH1. Have to say that I loved this period - just me and my son.
Anonymous said...
(((((Hugs)))) to you. I felt like crying reading
this post. I could feel the sense of dissatisfaction, the pain that you are
experiencing. I have nothing to say, except wish that you make enough money
that you don't have to live in that house and you can walk out with your son.
That husband of yours needs to go pronto! Please do whatever it takes to get out of this relationship. You are young and beautiful, you can have plenty of men and a satisfying sexual life without any strings.
That husband of yours needs to go pronto! Please do whatever it takes to get out of this relationship. You are young and beautiful, you can have plenty of men and a satisfying sexual life without any strings.
Even I feel like crying when I think of my situation J And I cannot tell you how much I wish I was making
more money so that I could buy another house.
Itn’t it more like I need to go?
I talked to DH yesterday and we both are quite unsure of how to steer
this towards a happing ending (beginning?). We both understand our
shortcomings. DH – his inertia and me –
my need for security.
Not sure if you have read my blog in detail – but I have seen it all and
done it all, hence sex is farthest from my mind now. These days a good hug and cuddle give me more
satisfaction than the full fledged act.
Maybe I am getting old and it’s the small things that matter. But yes, I get what you mean. We all can get men anywhere to pleasure
us. Unfortunately for me – I still want
it to happen with DH.
Smitha
said...
I
have been reading your blog for some days now. First time commenting though. Somedays when I read your blog, it feels like
you are writing my story. Only some things are different. The fact that all
these things (you have stated in this post) are still bothering you suggest you
still care about having a good married life. With me, I have stopped caring and
expecting anything from my spouse, so it is much easier now. Things I couldn't
change I have accepted.
If DH doesn't want to do anything around the house, can u hire somebody to do it, so you get a break once in a while? Also the not talking to your son bothers me, tell him if he needs money for his M.A he better bond with your son..I would definitely stop funding his MA. Can you rennovate your house and make it new...
I have two kids too, they are well cared for by parents. Good kids can be raised in unhappy marriages as long as the parents aren't fighting in fornt of them day in and day out.. There are many people in the same boat as you, so don't think you are alone. Focus on your son...., you need to guide him....you can try to accept things you cannot change (like DH's behavior) but work cleverly at managing your finances. You have one child, you don't have to be a mother to your DH also...
Do some things for yourself , read books, spend quality time with your son.Go out with girlfriends.
btw loved your posts about your plans...I will try to follow some of them myself.
If DH doesn't want to do anything around the house, can u hire somebody to do it, so you get a break once in a while? Also the not talking to your son bothers me, tell him if he needs money for his M.A he better bond with your son..I would definitely stop funding his MA. Can you rennovate your house and make it new...
I have two kids too, they are well cared for by parents. Good kids can be raised in unhappy marriages as long as the parents aren't fighting in fornt of them day in and day out.. There are many people in the same boat as you, so don't think you are alone. Focus on your son...., you need to guide him....you can try to accept things you cannot change (like DH's behavior) but work cleverly at managing your finances. You have one child, you don't have to be a mother to your DH also...
Do some things for yourself , read books, spend quality time with your son.Go out with girlfriends.
btw loved your posts about your plans...I will try to follow some of them myself.
You know Smita – I tried this accepting and zero expectation technique,
but it is not working for me. I get
frustrated and feel it wrecks me emotionally?
Let’s say we will live till 60 years.
Does that mean for another 20 odd years, I have to turn a blind eye
towards DH’s behaviour? It is very
difficult. But I do admire your patience
and resolve in accepting things you can’t change.
I love cleaning. So it is not
that I am tired of doing it and want some help in it. I just want to know that once in a while DH
will clean the house as well. And also I
don’t want him to clean anything, just give me company while I am cleaning the
house and we could call that “sharing” house work J Ah yes – I would
also like the permission to clean his study, bedroom and bathroom – which are
technically out of bounds for me to clean.
I have been requested that!
Sorry I wasn’t clear about this in my previous post. I have never paid for any of DH’s MA
course. The three he did earlier were
done much before we met. Because DH
knows that I have started saving money, the unsaid assumption was that I would
pay for his current MA, which I flatly refused when we talked about it. I have till date funded the house renovation and
credit card debts, which is a sizeable amount.
I can renovate the house. But
this is a house that every time you repair something, something new comes
up. The house is from 1930s. Also I hate the actual location of the house. When DH’s parents bought the house, the place
wasn’t so bad. But now with illegal immigration and recession, this place is so
dirty and the people around are not so keen on keeping their neighbourhood
clean. Google “Southall” and you will
see what I mean. It is like having a
village from Patiala dropped right in the middle of London. And definitely does not subscribe to the
multi-cultural environment that I thought London would be.
Part of the problem is this. I
want us to shift out to a better house, but DH cannot move fast enough to clear
and organise his things. Remember this
house is the tomb of his memories and DH is very particular about
memories.
Glad to know that your parents are taking good care of your
children. My son lived with his grandparents
(my parents) for a year before I could get the UK visa for him. Though I have no complaints about my parents,
I think my son got all that he wanted and would even take advantage of my
parent’s kindness. The best would be if
you had your parents living with you, then it would be a great
arrangement.
Regarding DH talking to my son – this is something I have to step in and
get DH to sort out. Not that DH ignores
my son or anything like that, there is no interaction. That’s it.
I know that I am not alone in this situation, it happens in many
families. But if the women in these
families can make it work out, why is it so tough for me? Why can’t I have a flexible spine that can
let go, have patience and accept things?
Why are my expectations so high?
Yes I need to take it a bit light in life and enjoy some time out with
friends. It’s just that daily life is so
difficult these days and I tend to veg out during the weekends. I have to change here.......